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Let me break it down for you.

  • Nov. 6th, 2008 at 9:36 PM
NO.
I, too, am pissed the fuck off about some of the racist bullshit (shame on you, Dan Savage) circulating around about how the record high turnout of black voters for Obama passed Prop 8 in California and how horribly homophobic they are.

But let's pretend for a moment that there were no people of color in the U.S. Let's pretend that this past Tuesday, all voters who went to the polls were white. How, then, would the election and the ballot measures have fared?

Nationally
* McCain would have won the popular vote, 55% to Obama's 43%.

* McCain would have won the following blue states with the following percentage of white votes: Florida (56%), Virginia (60%), Ohio (52%), Indiana (54%), New Mexico (56%), Nevada (53%), Pennsylvania (51%), New Jersey (50%), and Maryland (49%).

* Super blue California would have barely gone for Obama with 51% of the white vote.

* McCain would have won the election in a landslide with a total of 319 electoral votes to Obama's 219.

Arizona
The ban on gay marriage would still have passed with 55% of the vote.

Arkansas
The ban on gay couples adopting would still have passed with 58% of the vote.

California
Prop 8 would have been defeated by only a small margin of 51% to 49%.

Colorado
There is currently no exit poll data on race, but 51% of Colorado voters voted to keep Affirmative Action. According to the most recent census estimate, Colorado is 90% white, so if non-white people are 10% of Colorado's population, I can't help but believe that they didn't at the very least contribute the 1-2% necessary to tip the votes into the Yes category.

Florida
The ban on gay marriage would still have passed with 60% of the vote.

Nebraska
There is currently no exit poll data on race, but 58% of Nebraskans voted to end Affirmative Action. According to the most recent census estimate, Nebraska is 91.5% white.

Two other interesting facts that I haven't heard any of these critics mention:

* In Arkansas, 54% of black folks voted to ban gay couples from adopting versus 58% of white voters.
* In Michigan, 59% of black folks voted for stem cell research versus 51% of white voters.

Telling, isn't it?

For all of the critics who want to point fingers at the 70% of black voters in California who voted for Prop 8, I encourage you to look at this data and think hard.

The historic win for Obama that so many people, millions of white people included, are incredibly happy about? Not only did white voters play a huge role in passing some of these terrible ballot measures, but black and brown voters won Obama this goddamn election, so think for a hot minute before you try to bite the hands that fed you.

[ETA: I rechecked some of my links, and fixed the states that I had erroneously counted as McCain wins with white voters. My apologies for the error. They should be fixed now. Thanks!]

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[info]sparkymonster wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 03:57 am (UTC)
Really Dan Savage you fucking fuck? THANKS.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 03:58 am (UTC)
I just hit send on an email to him. I also emailed the Racialicious folks to get this cross-posted there.
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[info]syndetic wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:06 am (UTC)
This is all driving me crazy. Did you know there are no queers of color and no whites are homophobic? Apparently my extended family is no longer white!

&^%$#@!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:11 am (UTC)
Well clearly, all racial groups are monoliths!
[info]mochasobsession wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:07 am (UTC)
This post is why I love you! Thank you!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:13 am (UTC)
Of course! People need to know the truth.
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[info]diseased_inside wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:10 am (UTC)
This is an excellent post. You are excellent.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:15 am (UTC)
*curtsy*

Now to see if Mr. Savage has anything to say when he sees these facts.
[info]maschalismos wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:12 am (UTC)
I've been foaming at the mouth about ALL OF THIS and I can't really compose posts when I'm THIS UPSET. So I thank you and everyone else who have been writing about this and letting folks know shit is not acceptable. Thank you SO MUCH.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:14 am (UTC)
Yes. It is BEYOND enraging that people like Dan Savage are so quick to throw black folks and POC under the goddamn bus when it's convenient without giving an ounce of credit where credit is due.
[info]angryasiangrrl wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:30 am (UTC)
You are brilliant. Thank you for busting out the numbers. <3
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:32 am (UTC)
Look at what a job in finance has done to me! :)
[info]lovecraftienne wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:40 am (UTC)
Very well said - mind if I link to this in a locked post? You've provided some good links I'd like to pass along in support of the "Cut the racist shit out" message.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
Feel free to link! I made it public because people need to know this stuff!
[info]bounce_n_jiggle wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:41 am (UTC)
this is a brilliant post thank you for all the hard work and fury that went into it.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:42 am (UTC)
It was an hour well spent! :)
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[info]kommishoner wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 04:54 am (UTC)
thanks for this. i'm emailing savage now. i kept making excuses because i like his sex advice, but i'm fucking done. with him and all these other asshats.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:02 am (UTC)
I copied and pasted this post to him, too. I am sick of his bullshit.
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[info]oh_annalouise wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:00 am (UTC)
you are a statistic compiling genuis!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:02 am (UTC)
It was a delightfully nerdy task!
[info]pinkprincesszoe wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:08 am (UTC)
thanks for posting this! man, i saw that DS nonsense this morning and was incredulous.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:09 am (UTC)
Just heard from Racialicious and they'll be posting it! As much as I love my little lj audience, more people need to know these facts.
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[info]catbag wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:18 am (UTC)
People do need to know.. With your permission may I post it on my website, or link back to it.?
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:20 am (UTC)
Sure! What's your website, out of curiosity?
[info]catbag wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
[info]evilgenius_nnl wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:22 am (UTC)
Thanks for this. I've been seeing/hearing these sorts of comments all over the place, and haven't known how best to react.

I think that what's most hurtful about it is how fucked/frustrating it is to have white people tell me or the world that there is homophobia within POC communities. As if I don't understand/live/suffer through that shit on the daily?

But then to imply that those homophobic people and sentiments are the main ones responsible for my oppression, rather than the vast majority of the homophobic white population simply leaves me speechless.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)
Yes yes yes. So much yes.

This shit is old as dirt, and really sad and tiresome to boot.
[info]seaya wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:29 am (UTC)
Did you email this to Dan Savage?
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:30 am (UTC)
Sure did!
[info]evilgenius_nnl wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:43 am (UTC)
I really liked this response. So straightforward to the racist hatemongering!
Total votes for and against: 5,417,748 + 4,907,867 = 10,325,615
conservate votes for: (5,417,748 + 4,907,867) * 0.3 * 0.85 = 2,633,031
white men votes for: (5,417,748 + 4,907,867) * 0.31 * 0.51 = 1,632,479
white age 65+ votes for: (5,417,748 + 4,907,867) * 0.12 * 0.59 = 731,053
black votes for: (5,417,748 + 4,907,867) * 0.1 * 0.7 = 722,793

If you look at all the demographic categories that voted in favor of proposition 8, it looks like blacks contributed nearly the least number of yes votes.

marginal yes-no black votes: (5,417,748 + 4,907,867) * 0.1 * (0.7-0.3) = 413,024
total yes votes minus total no votes: 5,417,748 - 4,907,867 = 509,881

Holy fucking cow! If every last black person stayed home, proposition 8 still would have passed!

Can I call you a racist asshole now?

http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/polls/#CAI01p1
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2008/results/ballot.measures/
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 05:45 am (UTC)
Re: I really liked this response. So straightforward to the racist hatemongering!
Not surprising, since what these critics keep failing to mention is that black folks are les than 7% of California's population!
[info]delux_vivens wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 06:47 am (UTC)
*rolls eyes*
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:20 pm (UTC)
You and your awesome icons! :)
[info]gypsyecks wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 07:10 am (UTC)
but as a white person it is my right to totally scapegoat minorities whenever i want, right?

thank you for this entry. it is so what needs to be shouted out right now.

xo
m
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:21 pm (UTC)
Absolutely! Those other two links I posted on this topic are also really excellent.
[info]hotchpot wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 07:17 am (UTC)
Dan Savage??? I never would have expected this of him.
[info]bay_bus_rider wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:13 am (UTC)
LOL
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[info]nursetomsf wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 07:42 am (UTC)
I was led to this post by a link in another users journal. Thank you for this. As a gay white man, seeing these attempts to lay blame at the feet of POC has made me ashamed and embarrased by my gay brothers.

I need to share this with them, slap some reality back into them and wake them up. If they want to point fingers, they need to look at the white "Christian" churches that funded this fight...and our gay compatriots who stayed home or voted Yes. (would love to see the stats on that!)
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:23 pm (UTC)
You should also share those other two links about this subject with them, because they do a more thorough examination of the strategy and outcome that led to Prop 8 not passing.

And you're welcome!
[info]bay_bus_rider wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:14 am (UTC)
I found this via [info]postqueer. Looks like it's okay to cross-post, and cross-post I shall.

THANK YOU.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:22 pm (UTC)
Absolutely! And you're welcome.
[info]midwinter wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:17 am (UTC)
What on earth! Even if one were convinced blacks vote with one mind and as a whole cost gays marriage and blah blah blah, how does like....declaring gay war on black people help??

Anyway, surely we can all unite around blaming MORMONS.
[info]midwinter wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 08:19 am (UTC)
"I’m done pretending that the handful of racist gay white men out there—and they’re out there, and I think they’re scum—are a bigger problem for African Americans, gay and straight, than the huge numbers of homophobic African Americans are for gay Americans, whatever their color."

????? This is such an infantile and uninformed view of both racism AND homophobia.
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[info]masculine_lady wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 11:37 am (UTC)
that is sexy math. you rock for this. I am pressed for time at the moment, but want to crosspost this shit asap. thanks for doing it.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:26 pm (UTC)
Absolutely!
[info]outcastspice wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:10 pm (UTC)
wow. thanks for posting this info. just... some people!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:26 pm (UTC)
That One (Dan Savage) can go suck it for what he said!
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[info]ericaceous wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:23 pm (UTC)
Amen. Thanks for the well-sourced reality check. I was so disappointed in Dan Savage (but not surprised) and now I can point folks who are saying idiotic things along the same lines to your post/the resources you link to here.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Nov. 7th, 2008 12:27 pm (UTC)
Absolutely!
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