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reflection
My brain's been on overtime since yesterday afternoon after reading this excellent analysis of a recent Beth Ditto photo shoot, so I put all my thoughts together and posted about it on fatshionista.com.

Ever since I wrote that article about people of color and the Fat Acceptance movement, I've been thinking more about what it is I'd like to see the white members of the FA community do to start working towards a truly intersectional analysis and framework.

Yesterday, when someone linked to this right-on analysis (go read it, STAT!) of a photograph from a recent photo shoot with Beth Ditto in Nylon magazine, one reaction that I witnessed really crystallized, for me, exactly how some of the underlying racial tensions have played out in the FA community.

Ingredient #1: First, we have the fact that there is a paucity of fat icons in the media for us to look up to. We are starved (no pun intended) to see ourselves represented in popular culture, so it is like a mini coup when there is someone, anyone, who we can claim for our community.

Ingredient #2: Many people, myself included, are calling for the FA movement to incorporate a truly intersectional analysis into their analysis and framework, because it is never just about fat.

Where these two ingredients collide is when a fat icon like Beth Ditto fucks up. Really, the article says it all, but to sum it up: using a working class woman of color as a "prop" in your photograph to make you look more fabulous/glamorous/exotic, and on top of that, to appropriate Asian elements to style your look is not ok.

This tension plays out when someone who reveres Beth Ditto reads this article or sees this photo and immediately becomes defensive of her actions. My guess is that they feel betrayed and sad and maybe even desperate because all of a sudden, one of their icons has fucked up. And because there is such a dearth of fat cultural icons, they cling, because holding that person accountable for their choices probably means that they should reconsider their support of that artist/actor/performer/etc. And I ventuer this guess because I can imagine exactly how *I* would feel if one of my icons did something that betrayed my values.

For example, a year or so ago, I went to see Dirty Martini perform at the Sex Workers' Art Show. But, right before the show, I found out that she was a supporter of Shirley Q. Liquor, a white gay man who does drag in blackface. Before I had learned this, I was a huge fan of Dirty Martini, but I was absolutely crestfallen when I found out this piece of information from her. After the show, I blogged about it, and a huge debate exploded. And not only was the discussion disappointing, but I was even further disappointed when someone wrote Dirty Martini a letter about this, and she wrote back defending her support of Shirley Q. Liquor. She said,

"I completely understand the argument against Shirley Q. Liquor and I simply don't agree with it. I believe her to be a very talented comedian who modelled [sic] her southern character with love and wit. I don't view her performance as blackface and I don't believe that she does either. Her comedy is a reflection of our times and it would be very anti american to censor a performer without seeing the actual performance or finding out if it comes from a place of love and respect. I think it is very important to remember that this comedian is a gay man in the south and he may know a thing or two about predjudice [sic]."

Well, that was the nail in the coffin for me. No matter how much I had loved her before, I made a decision that because my personal values did not align with her support of a racist performer, I had to let it (my support) go. But not everyone felt that way. Some people felt that because Dirty Martini was supporting Shirley Q. Liquor vs. performing in blackface herself, it was ok. Similarly, some people have expressed that maybe Beth Ditto didn't know that the image she put out was problematic, so maybe we should be more gentle on her.

But I have some questions that I think we, as a community, need to seriously wrestle with.

What does walking the talk of intersectionaly look like? Is it "ok" to give fat media icons a little more leeway because there are so few of them? Is the willingness to lower the bar proof that the FA movement isn't taking race and the racism in our community seriously? How do we hold a media icon accountable for their actions when we can't always engage or interact with them?

In short, how do we plan to walk our talk?

Comments

[info]queen_bbb wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 06:56 pm (UTC)
I love this.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:01 pm (UTC)
Good!

Do you love it so much that you'll make me brownies or bring me cheetos next time we rendezvous? :)
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[info]epeolatry wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:03 pm (UTC)
I would have a really hard time believing that Beth Ditto didn't see anything fucked up about that image. Doesn't she come from a working poor deep Southern background? I think she would be a little bit more aware of race & class politics.

And if she's that ignorant, I likely won't ever spent another penny of my $ on a Gossip cd or ticket for a show.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:04 pm (UTC)
Well, I was trying to be diplomatic in my questions, but I agree with you.
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[info]lizs18 wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:29 pm (UTC)
Oh Beth Ditto NO. Didn't she also take Gwen Stefani to task for cultural appropriation? I totally want to blame this on the fact that she toured with HRC. It's those corporate sell-outs corrupting her I tell you! But I know that's not true. Sigh. However, I'm so glad that this is being discussed by awesome people such as the authors you linked to and yourself and thank you for putting the word out there.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:54 pm (UTC)
Did she take Gwen Stefani to task? If so - god, the irony!
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[info]idlepudding wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:45 pm (UTC)
your post and the other that you linked to are both fantastic. thank you so much for posting it.

i cringed immediately when i saw the photo from nylon load. i mean, really, beth?
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
I'm so excited that I finally had a moment where everything kind of crystallized for me and I felt like I totally understood where exactly the tension was coming from.

Glad you liked it!
[info]thesugarmonster wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:46 pm (UTC)
Dear Representative Asian:

I would like to wear a shirt with kanji/koi/cherry blossoms on it but don't want to form any sort of opinion of my own or put effort into deciding whether my idea of fashion > my idea of racial awareness. Please give me permission so I can no longer feel conflicted or guilty. Because the idea of being inconvenienced or feeling in a way other than "comfortable" confuses and upsets me.

Sincerely,
"But I just like the way it looks!"
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:56 pm (UTC)
*snort*
[info]curlygirrl wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:47 pm (UTC)
I was literally grossed out by this picture. I would really like to know what Beth Ditto's concept/vision is of this; what she think it "says."

But I'd actually argue that having a working poor, deep Southern background does not automatically make her invested in race/class politics or analysis of white privilege. Not to say this excuses her behavior at all. But she might not have thought too hard about this photo - which is a huge part of the bigger problem in my humble opinion. Having the privilege to not have to think about it.

And this is something I'm just curious about: I haven't done too much reading up on Beth Ditto... but what exactly are her political leanings or ideology? She's a fat icon, I know, but what is her connection to FA communities or movements? Not saying you know, but interested to know your thoughts.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC)
I actually don't know much at all about her political leanings and haven't seen much (or anything?) written by her. I also completely agree about the poor, deep Southern background not automatically making her invested.
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[info]syndetic wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC)
I loved Mimi's original piece and I love this one too!

P.S. While we are outing ourselves as commenters here, I will admit that I am the keller (my first name) in the comments.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 08:02 pm (UTC)
Thanks, glad you liked it! And thanks for outing yourself. :)
[info]chicksupreme wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 07:59 pm (UTC)
Thanks for this.

It feels silly, but I saw Dirty Martini perform with PinchBottom last week and totally fell in love. Now I'm heartbroken.....

I'm giving up on fat + famous folk in favor of more local celebrities. Instead of Dirty Martini, Tangerine Jones. Instead of Beth Ditto, Toshi Reagon, etc. I feel like these folk can be held accountable for how they present themselves to the world because they are very much so a direct part of the community.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 08:05 pm (UTC)
I agree with you about favoring local folk and everyday folk. I feel like the whole cultural icon idolization really just sets us up for disappointment.
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[info]bezhig81 wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)
Both great articles, thanks for the direction. Its hard not feel like the fa movement is completely blinded to the the struggles of poc by their own (fa) self pity.

Also its something I have been thinking on but I've noticed that when fat women are portrayed in fashion in general they are seen as ultra pampered and materialistic to the point of gross excess. I'm thinking about what this says and would kind of like to see fat bodies in natural sort fashion layouts- not only boney pretty people like to lay in the grass and frolic about in a meadow while wearing fabulous clothes.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 08:38 pm (UTC)
I've noticed that when fat women are portrayed in fashion in general they are seen as ultra pampered and materialistic to the point of gross excess.

Hmm, interesting point! And yes definitely to adding natural settings to the fat photoshoot repertoire!
[info]i_dreamed_i_was wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 10:13 pm (UTC)
Thank you.
For both this and the link.

Privileged people will always disappoint. It would be nice to think that if someone wrote a good letter to Beth, she'd give it serious consideration and internalize the issue. (It happens... Once in a blue moon, camel through the eye of a needle, etc.) But doing that might set folk up for further disappointment.

And yes, the FA almost totally lacks an intersectional analysis... Much like almost every anti-oppression movement-- well, the most vocal and popular and powerful components of almost every movement-- it's unfortunately more concerned with removing that one tiny barrier to ultimate privilege than really ending oppression. B/c most of these people are more privileged than they are oppressed, so ending all oppression (feels like to them) a net loss. Etc.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
Re: Thank you.
A (white) friend of mine wrote a letter directly to Beth Ditto, so here's to hoping she gets it and *gets* it.

Also, I'm incredibly excited about the NOLOSE POC caucus for all the reasons listed in your second paragraph!
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[info]theoryofgravity wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 10:17 pm (UTC)
Oh man, thanks so much for posting this. It's outstanding (edit: referring to both your post and the one on threadbared) - I originally saw the Beth Ditto photo a week or so ago and have been utterly speechless on the subject ever since.

(Also, I dropped a link to your original fat + race post in the new one, I hope that's okay!)

Edited at 2008-07-24 10:18 pm (UTC)
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 10:58 pm (UTC)
Glad you liked it! I didn't see the photo and the essay until yesterday, so I'm glad that I basically had my thoughts handed to me on a platter from the person at threadbared.

And yes, totally fine that you linked the original essay!
[info]theoryofgravity wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 10:19 pm (UTC)
AND AND I speak for the blogging wagon when I say it missed you!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 11:01 pm (UTC)
Ditto!

Also, I heard through sparkymonster that you're coming to NOLOSE! Is that true? Will we finally get to hang out for more than like an hour? Will I get to rock my gold bikini in your company?
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[info]i_exalted wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 10:57 pm (UTC)
I hadn't heard about this photo shoot until reading your piece. You make such important points!

It can be valuable for people to see our idols/role models fuck up, but I think that depends on how the idols respond. It will be in Beth Ditto's (hopefully self-reflective, thoughtful, analytical, regretful) response that her role model status rises to the surface. She can't make right what she did - the way I see it, she can either a) turn it into an opportunity to educate by making a loud-and-clear "I fucked up, here's exactly how I fucked up, and this is why this shouldn't happen" statement b) saying nothing and pretending she did nothing wrong, or c) apologizing just for the sake of apologizing. Here's hoping she opts for "a".
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 24th, 2008 11:02 pm (UTC)
I'm excited, because our mutual friend B wrote a great letter directly to Beth and emailed it to her (or is in the process of emailing it). Here's to hoping she receives it and really gets it.
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[info]and_old_lace wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 12:10 am (UTC)
i love this so much
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 12:21 am (UTC)
I'm glad you posted the link! Thanks!
[info]teanut wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 01:40 am (UTC)
Awesome. This is awesome.

I wrote a letter to her that I posted on my lj too. I haven't sent it yet but I will later. I hope she is receptive and responsive but I think awesome conversations are happening regardless.

Flu and holiday is over. Expect emails soon. xo
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
I think my friend B has been having a hard time finding a contact email for her. If she finds it, I'll let you know.

And yay! Looking forward to emailing with you!
[info]coco73 wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 03:44 am (UTC)
This is beautifully written, Tara.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 03:47 am (UTC)
Thanks!

Now if people would only send some answers to my questions! Heh.
[info]sunhawk wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 04:39 am (UTC)
That's a lot of great food for thought. I see a lot of that ignorant/uncaring type of photography in fashion-related magazines (I would have guessed that shoot was from a mag like Nylon without being told) and it bothers me that some people think it's okay to create these sort of artworks for the sake of being "edgy" and non-mainstream, etc.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 25th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC)
Yep, totally.
[info]withoutscene wrote:
Jul. 26th, 2008 03:45 pm (UTC)
Wow, I am just catching up on LJ. I hadn't seen this shoot, but it's horrifying. It was that she evokes a geisha appropriation which I noticed first, but the Threadbared post (and yours) is dead on. I keep trying to think of ways to fuck the image (take Ditto out of it and change it somehow), but I can't get past the sadness (and many other things) on the woman's face.

It's important to keep everyone accountable, on an individual level and in a way that speaks to systematic/institutional oppression--which I think the Threadbared piece does an excellent job of doing.

Thanks for posting this.