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The Good, The Bad, And The Southern

  • Jul. 16th, 2008 at 11:38 AM
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1. Hahaha!

2. I found out last night that BOTH of my roommates are moving out within the next month and a half and I am fuh-REAKING out about having to interview new people and get used to sharing my living space with strangers again. Also, I might have zero furniture if Joseph decides to take it all.

3. Sending love haikus to my sweetie makes me grin.

4. I mentioned this to a couple of people, but I went to a party last night with a native Mississippian and a native New Orleanser (is that the correct terminology?), both of who said that I don't get to call myself a Southerner because I'm from Virginia, and Virginia isn't part of the South. Apparently, my lack of accent counts against me too. I generally get this reaction from folks in the Deep South, but everyone up in the Northeast considers Virginia the South!

So, I thought I'd get a vote from y'all.

Poll #1224331 The South
Open to: All, detailed results viewable to: All

Do you consider Virginia (the southern part, not the northern part) a part of the South?

View Answers

Yes!
50 (80.6%)

No way!
2 (3.2%)

Kind of? Maybe? I don't know?
10 (16.1%)

Why or why not?

Do you consider yourself a Southerner?

View Answers

Yes!
10 (16.4%)

No!
36 (59.0%)

Kind of? Maybe? I don't know?
15 (24.6%)

Why or why not?



Finally, we agreed that Virginia counts as Upper South or Northern South, but someone else reminded me that Virginia is also totally Old South.

Comments

[info]ellebeowe wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 03:46 pm (UTC)
look, I get that people think of northern virginia as being all of virginia, and that just ain't so!

I'm in richmond. I tell people where I live by which confederate war hero's statue I live by, because yes, we have an entire street lined with large statues of confederate war heros. We also have the confederate museum right by the entrance to our hospital. I mean, really, if you go out in the more rural areas of Virgina (which is a lot of virginia) you know, it's the south.

And I am very testy about this, because I deal with people saying this all the time, and strangely, it's always been people not from the south.

For the record, I do, think there is a significant difference between rural v. urban south, big time, but the rural areas in virginia are not so dissimilar (did I spell that correctly?) from rural areas in Alabama or Mississippi (all places I have spent a lot of time in).
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
Having lived in Richmond from age 3 to age 18, I agree with everything you said!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 03:49 pm (UTC)
And before age 3, I lived in FARMVILLE, Virginia and was born in LYNCHBURG, which should reveal a whole lot about the rural areas of the state.
[info]ellebeowe wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 03:53 pm (UTC)
Yeah, girl! And I think I might of sounded a little snarky in my last post, which was NOT directed at you but all the people who I have had this fight with.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 05:42 pm (UTC)
Oh yes, I figured! I was being snarky at all the people I've had this fight with, too.
[info]fightscrime wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 03:56 pm (UTC)
Right? Richmond was the capital of the confederacy, and Virginia is the only state that shoehorns a couple of confederate generals into MARTIN LUTHER KING JR. DAY.

Virginia is also huge. Much, much bigger than the northeastern states. The eastern shore of VA is different from Richmond, which is different from Loudon County, which is different from Hampton Roads, which is different from the coal towns out west, which are different from the Charlottesvile area. So, yeah, facile observations on what it is or isn't from random people kind of get under my skin, too.
[info]ellebeowe wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:04 pm (UTC)
Yes! It takes 7 hours to get across the state!

And also, I work for the state I get one day off for Martin Luther King and then one day off for Lee jackson Day. they are right next to each other (which is just, so, so, fucked Up) and form a 4 day weekend, so NO ONE will fight to get rid of it!
[info]fightscrime wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:09 pm (UTC)
No shit! I never worked for the state, but I went to public school in VA for a couple years, and I never got a 4 day weekend! They'd always just lump Lee, Jackson and King together, although only bitter old people usually called it that.
[info]ellebeowe wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:33 pm (UTC)
It was a recent change. Like within the past few years. yes... RECENT. as in recently a whole group of people in control over our state government felt it was important to give Lee and jackson an entire day of honor!
[info]porcinea wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 06:49 pm (UTC)
Richmond was the capital of the confederacy...
Because I've already passed up one opportunity to say this, and because I was born in Alabama, and because I do participate in the traditional geographical sniping of my culture, I am compelled to add:

"Yeah, until they moved it to Montgomery for being TOO CLOSE TO THE YANKEES!!"

(And now we can all laugh merrily and move along.)
[info]fightscrime wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 07:26 pm (UTC)
Re: Richmond was the capital of the confederacy...
However: Richmond pretends that this NEVER HAPPENED.
[info]maerhys wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:49 pm (UTC)
If your state was a part of the CSoA it's Southern, and Virginia?! That's ooooooold South. Wasn't Robert E. Lee from Va?
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 04:56 pm (UTC)
Indeed he was.
[info]midwinter wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 05:40 pm (UTC)
I used this very conundrum to bond with fundies on my spy mission.

Emily: So where are you from?

Fundie: Mississippi.

Emily: I am from Maryland. Yankee to you, southerner to everyone else.

AND THEN WE ALL LAUGHED MERRILY AND BURNED 'THE JOY OF SEX.'
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 05:41 pm (UTC)
"Yankee to you, Southerner to everyone else" is the perfect way to describe it! Thanks for the good zinger!
[info]agent_999 wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 08:16 pm (UTC)
I'm at a loss for words. I was under the impression that this was a fact rather than an opinion.
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
Apparently not!
[info]and_old_lace wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 09:02 pm (UTC)
the term is new orleanian!
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 02:33 am (UTC)
Thanks for the info! I was wondering all night...
[info]evilgenius_nnl wrote:
Jul. 16th, 2008 11:52 pm (UTC)
as i've already mentioned, i do believe that virginia is southern. i also totally agree with above comments about differences between rural and urban southern life, and to be honest about rural and urban life in general. but that's a whole different can of worms.

anyway, i am a full blooded yankee with southern parents, and let me tell you, having lived way the hell up in new hampshire for parts of my life, philadelphia practically feels southern, so virginia for sure counts.

and, oh, ps, virginia doesn't hold the patent on racist holiday celebrations. in rhode island they celebrate VJ day in August. As in Victory over Japan Day, as in the day the US dropped bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 02:37 am (UTC)
OMG, before I finished reading the sentence, I was hoping VJ Day stood for Vagina Day.

Oh well.
[info]futuristisch wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 06:17 am (UTC)
howdy fellow RI'er!
[info]dine_in_or_out wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 02:22 am (UTC)
my roommate informed me on sunday she's moving out in Sept...I am petrified with having to find a new person to live with, especially if it ends up being a stranger..it scares me so much I keep grinding my teeth..ugh I have really bad luck with roommates and don't want my fabulous apt to end up being cluttered and messed up by someone who doesn't respect me
[info]bias_cut wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 02:38 am (UTC)
Roommate hunting is such a freaking chore!
[info]dine_in_or_out wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 03:23 am (UTC)
i'm tired just thinking about it
[info]ericaceous wrote:
Jul. 17th, 2008 02:29 pm (UTC)
I thought VA (outside of the DC metro area) was for sure The South, but then again, I think Philly seems way Southern in a lot of ways after my rural new england formative years.